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Feb 10, 2023, 12:21 pm
#136
vancouver25k
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
I think the only time in recent memory that I was on a below 90% SFO<->YYZ was when they did a day-of upgauge from 788 to 789. And that departed well above the capacity of a 788.
But I guess I tend to fly at heavier times.
746 tomorrow is still R8.
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Feb 10, 2023, 12:33 pm
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Originally Posted by vancouver25k
Originally Posted by canadiancow
I think the only time in recent memory that I was on a below 90% SFO<->YYZ was when they did a day-of upgauge from 788 to 789. And that departed well above the capacity of a 788.
But I guess I tend to fly at heavier times.
746 tomorrow is still R8.
Saturdays tend to be less busy (in general). It would be pretty rare that I fly SFO-YYZ on a Saturday, and basically impossible that I'd do YYZ-SFO.
I also should say I have no experience in the red-eyes in years. I refuse to take a NA red-eye unless it's absolutely essential.
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Feb 11, 2023, 12:07 pm
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I woke up today, thought about going to YYZ, and 740 was J0 Y0. It went to Y2 at some point, but... yeah, that should not be a 223.
Feb 11, 2023, 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
Saturdays tend to be less busy (in general). It would be pretty rare that I fly SFO-YYZ on a Saturday, and basically impossible that I'd do YYZ-SFO.
I also should say I have no experience in the red-eyes in years. I refuse to take a NA red-eye unless it's absolutely essential.
For the proverbial route expert....
Why in your estimation have loads fluctuated on this route? Would have thought we'd be at pre-covid level of flights and associated equipment.
Hmmmm.
Feb 11, 2023, 3:21 pm
#140
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Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD
For the proverbial route expert....
Why in your estimation have loads fluctuated on this route? Would have thought we'd be at pre-covid level of flights and associated equipment.
Hmmmm.
I certainly can't speak for operations or RM, but when I wake up and can't buy a ticket, that suggests the problem isn't "loads".
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Feb 17, 2023, 12:10 pm
#141
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AC YYZ to HKG Direct flights
Anyone know when AC might be coming back with direct flights between Toronto and Hong Kong? They had that on their website earlier last year for after the summer 2023, but they seemed to offlined them after a bit.
The connection one in YVR seems packed, so the demand should be there... Maybe still a labor shortage?
Feb 17, 2023, 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD
For the proverbial route expert....
Why in your estimation have loads fluctuated on this route? Would have thought we'd be at pre-covid level of flights and associated equipment.
Hmmmm.
I suspect the Tech meltdown has at least something to do with this.
Feb 17, 2023, 12:44 pm
#143
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Originally Posted by 1lyfe
Anyone know when AC might be coming back with direct flights between Toronto and Hong Kong? They had that on their website earlier last year for after the summer 2023, but they seemed to offlined them after a bit.
The connection one in YVR seems packed, so the demand should be there... Maybe still a labor shortage?
I sure hope it comes back soon cause I'm booked on YVR - HKG in late March and trying to eUp as a 35K. J cabin the past week has 1 or 2 empty seats and 2-3 people waiting to eUp from PY. AC scheduled the low density 777 (extra mini J cabin) on the day I'm flying though so as long as that keeps, odds are good.
Feb 17, 2023, 1:28 pm
#144
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Originally Posted by The Lev
I suspect the Tech meltdown has at least something to do with this.
This is likely a large part of it. With the many layoffs in the tech sector and belt tightening. I know of many companies that are on 'no travel' or severely curtailed travel/entertainment budgets. Even going to CES - several companies had skeleton crews.
Feb 17, 2023, 4:38 pm
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When I booked today's 743 yesterday, it was J3 Y1. The earlier flight wasn't any better.
You're all trying to explain why loads are down, but I disagree with that premise.
Capacity is substantially below demand (on the days/times I travel).
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Feb 17, 2023, 6:11 pm
#146
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Originally Posted by 1lyfe
Anyone know when AC might be coming back with direct flights between Toronto and Hong Kong? They had that on their website earlier last year for after the summer 2023, but they seemed to offlined them after a bit.
The connection one in YVR seems packed, so the demand should be there... Maybe still a labor shortage?
Russian airspace
Feb 17, 2023, 7:15 pm
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Originally Posted by etkuo
Russian airspace
Polar route goes though Russian airspace, but Ive been on at least one AC15 that went westwards towards Alaska and along the Japanese coast. You'd have to think that AC would be operating the route if they thought they needed it.
Feb 18, 2023, 9:27 am
#148
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Originally Posted by etkuo
Russian airspace
But there's already a direct YYZ <-> HKG by Cathay Pacific, wouldn't there be work around routes that makes sense for AC too?
Feb 18, 2023, 9:30 am
#149
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Originally Posted by 1lyfe
But there's already a direct YYZ <-> HKG by Cathay Pacific, wouldn't there be work around routes that makes sense for AC too?
CX can fly through Russian airspace.
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Feb 18, 2023, 2:43 pm
#150
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Originally Posted by Changeup2000
CX can fly through Russian airspace.
BR and CI both fly NYC-TPE and I don't think they use Russian airspace.
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